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curious incidents
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coyboy carl
2004-09-09 23:36:57 UTC
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hello,

i don't recall a book ever being discussed in this newsgroup, so i thought
i'd start one off.

the curious incident of the dog in the nightime

won whitbread book of the year, so i'm sure someone else here must have read
it.

also, it was pretty easy to read, written from the perspective of a 15 year
old autistic boy so the language is highly accessible.


at first, i didn't like it, because of it being written as if it was written
by a 15 year old autistic boy. presumably the author had done his research
and knows a hell of a lot more about autism than me, but still i felt that
there was no way anybody who isn't autistic can write about the innermost
thoughts of someone who is, explaining their behaviour (such as listening to
loud static or not speaking to people and reacting violently when people
speak to him).

it would be like someone who has never been depressed, writing about a kid
who is suicidal. so that kinda bugged me, cos i was comparing it to prozac
nation a little bit.

but once i had finished the book, or shortly afterwards anyway, i began to
think that the book wasn't actually about autism at all. maybe that is how
clever autistic people think, but even if it was, it'd be a crap lesson on
autism seeing how most autistic people *aren't* maths geniuses.

i began to think (or maybe realise) that it was much more a philosophy book,
because of the issues raised in it, about human behaviour, the way we use
words in metaphores which bear no relation to the actual meaning of the
words. the beauty of maths and logic. the vastness of the universe and our
insignificance. the fact that there is as much amazing stuff to be
discovered and looked at in a lump of mud, as there is in the pyramids of
egypt.

i think that the author just used the boy and his little murder mystery
quest as a way to put these thoughts into a story. and i think he did that
very well.


with regards to the story, i really liked the way his school teacher friend
was never (as far as i recall) quoted directly. in fact, his whole school
life was described, rather than transcripted. which was a very effective
way of keeping direction in the book and not drifting from the main plot.


hmm, maybe i'll read it again.


anyone else read it?

anyone have any thoughts?

cc
jess
2004-09-10 07:38:36 UTC
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Post by coyboy carl
hello,
i don't recall a book ever being discussed in this newsgroup, so i
thought i'd start one off.
the curious incident of the dog in the nightime
i read it on hols. was very good. need to go to work in a min so will
probably write more later.
Post by coyboy carl
... it would be like someone who has never been depressed, writing about
a kid who is suicidal. so that kinda bugged me, cos i was comparing
it to prozac nation a little bit.
?

elizabeth wurtzel was depressed though. or is that your point?

:s
coyboy carl
2004-09-10 15:54:32 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by coyboy carl
hello,
i don't recall a book ever being discussed in this newsgroup, so i
thought i'd start one off.
the curious incident of the dog in the nightime
i read it on hols. was very good. need to go to work in a min so will
probably write more later.
kewl beans
Post by jess
Post by coyboy carl
... it would be like someone who has never been depressed, writing about
a kid who is suicidal. so that kinda bugged me, cos i was comparing
it to prozac nation a little bit.
?
elizabeth wurtzel was depressed though. or is that your point?
that was my point ... PZ was good because it was written by someone who had
personal experience of what they were writing about.

TCIOTDITN (geez) wasn't.

cc
Stuart Williams
2004-09-10 17:43:15 UTC
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Post by coyboy carl
hello,
i don't recall a book ever being discussed in this newsgroup, so i thought
i'd start one off.
the curious incident of the dog in the nightime
won whitbread book of the year, so i'm sure someone else here must have read
it.
also, it was pretty easy to read, written from the perspective of a 15 year
old autistic boy so the language is highly accessible.
at first, i didn't like it, because of it being written as if it was written
by a 15 year old autistic boy. presumably the author had done his research
and knows a hell of a lot more about autism than me, but still i felt that
there was no way anybody who isn't autistic can write about the innermost
thoughts of someone who is, explaining their behaviour (such as listening to
loud static or not speaking to people and reacting violently when people
speak to him).
it would be like someone who has never been depressed, writing about a kid
who is suicidal. so that kinda bugged me, cos i was comparing it to prozac
nation a little bit.
but once i had finished the book, or shortly afterwards anyway, i began to
think that the book wasn't actually about autism at all. maybe that is how
clever autistic people think, but even if it was, it'd be a crap lesson on
autism seeing how most autistic people *aren't* maths geniuses.
i began to think (or maybe realise) that it was much more a philosophy book,
because of the issues raised in it, about human behaviour, the way we use
words in metaphores which bear no relation to the actual meaning of the
words. the beauty of maths and logic. the vastness of the universe and our
insignificance. the fact that there is as much amazing stuff to be
discovered and looked at in a lump of mud, as there is in the pyramids of
egypt.
i think that the author just used the boy and his little murder mystery
quest as a way to put these thoughts into a story. and i think he did that
very well.
with regards to the story, i really liked the way his school teacher friend
was never (as far as i recall) quoted directly. in fact, his whole school
life was described, rather than transcripted. which was a very effective
way of keeping direction in the book and not drifting from the main plot.
hmm, maybe i'll read it again.
anyone else read it?
anyone have any thoughts?
cc
Yes: it's a very good effort at creating an absorbing novel from a fairly
comprehensive knowledge of what Aspergers is like. We have a couple at
school now (new policy, and we're pleased it's going well) and to prepare
for it, lots of us read Freaks, Geeks and Aspergers Syndrome by Luke
Jackson (he was thirteen at the time, brought up by a single mum in a
family where three siblings have autism to some degree). His website is

www.lukejackson.info

There are lots of overlaps, as you'd expect from a well-researched book.
One of our Aspergers can't bear fruit (especially oranges) - this caused
a certain amount of surreal amusement at first but it's a common problem
for them.

SW
Stuart Williams
2004-09-10 17:53:49 UTC
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In article <***@news.plus.net>,
***@stuartwilliams.plus.com says...

BTW, after we'd read it, lots of us thought we were probably autistic to
some degree, rather like the character in Three Men In A Boat who read a
medical dictionary and came away thinking he suffered from everything
except Housemaid's Knee.

SW
coyboy carl
2004-09-10 19:31:37 UTC
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Post by Stuart Williams
BTW, after we'd read it, lots of us thought we were probably autistic to
some degree, rather like the character in Three Men In A Boat who read a
medical dictionary and came away thinking he suffered from everything
except Housemaid's Knee.
Heh, yeah, I felt that way after reading curious incident ... will have to
look up that book you mention.

cc
Robert de Vincy
2004-09-10 18:12:28 UTC
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Stuart Williams did write:

[snip]
Post by Stuart Williams
One of our Aspergers can't bear fruit
Perhaps the climate is all wrong... ?
--
BdeV
Stuart Williams
2004-09-10 18:48:22 UTC
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Post by Robert de Vincy
[snip]
Post by Stuart Williams
One of our Aspergers can't bear fruit
Perhaps the climate is all wrong... ?
I've never literally rolled on the floor laughing my ass off, but this
comes close.

S
Richard Magrath
2004-09-10 21:01:56 UTC
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Post by coyboy carl
hello,
Cool book, but what about Northern Lights by Philip Pullman? I'm
reading it at the moment, and it's bitchin'.

Richard (rm399 at cam.ac.uk)
jess
2004-09-10 21:56:38 UTC
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Post by Richard Magrath
Post by coyboy carl
hello,
Cool book, but what about Northern Lights by Philip Pullman? I'm
reading it at the moment, and it's bitchin'.
do you use that adjective out loud?
Richard Magrath
2004-09-11 04:49:20 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Richard Magrath
Post by coyboy carl
hello,
Cool book, but what about Northern Lights by Philip Pullman? I'm
reading it at the moment, and it's bitchin'.
do you use that adjective out loud?
hella yeah.

Richard
jess
2004-09-11 09:43:09 UTC
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Post by Richard Magrath
Post by jess
Post by Richard Magrath
Post by coyboy carl
hello,
Cool book, but what about Northern Lights by Philip Pullman? I'm
reading it at the moment, and it's bitchin'.
do you use that adjective out loud?
hella yeah.
you slipped up there.
Richard Magrath
2004-09-11 19:30:01 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Richard Magrath
Post by jess
Post by Richard Magrath
Cool book, but what about Northern Lights by Philip Pullman? I'm
reading it at the moment, and it's bitchin'.
do you use that adjective out loud?
hella yeah.
you slipped up there.
Well, since I don't recall ever having my spelling or grammar
criticised by John Porcella, I thought I could afford to use more
colloquialisms, la'.

And I'm going back to Cam the day after tomorrow so this might be my
last time to usenet it up until Christmas!

Richard
jess
2004-09-12 11:26:18 UTC
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Post by Richard Magrath
Post by jess
Post by Richard Magrath
Post by jess
Post by Richard Magrath
Cool book, but what about Northern Lights by Philip Pullman? I'm
reading it at the moment, and it's bitchin'.
do you use that adjective out loud?
hella yeah.
you slipped up there.
Well, since I don't recall ever having my spelling or grammar
criticised by John Porcella, I thought I could afford to use more
colloquialisms, la'.
yeh, but it's not hella yeah, it's hell yeah.

and hella good, etc.

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