Discussion:
A level units can now be re-sat unlimited number of times
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Julian
2004-08-23 05:14:05 UTC
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http://www.jcgq.org.uk/Publications_and_Common_Docs/03_13_Change_to_re-sit_rule.pdf

Apparently since Jan 1st 2004, all GCE exams/units can be now be taken
an unlimited number of times.
Stuart Williams
2004-08-23 08:40:41 UTC
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Post by Julian
http://www.jcgq.org.uk/Publications_and_Common_Docs/03_13_Change_to_re-sit_rule.pdf
Apparently since Jan 1st 2004, all GCE exams/units can be now be taken
an unlimited number of times.
Yes, we know. See

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.uk.a-
levels+unlimited+resits&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
8&safe=off&selm=MPG.1a6e5c77fc938e2a9896d1%40usenet.plus.net&rnum=4

Or search Google groups for alt.uk.a-levels+unlimited+resits

What's your point?

Stuart Williams
OK
2004-08-23 11:53:58 UTC
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http://www.jcgq.org.uk/Publications_and_Common_Docs/03_13_Change_to_re-sit_rule.pdf
Post by Stuart Williams
Post by Julian
Apparently since Jan 1st 2004, all GCE exams/units can be now be taken
an unlimited number of times.
Yes, we know. See
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.uk.a-
levels+unlimited+resits&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
8&safe=off&selm=MPG.1a6e5c77fc938e2a9896d1%40usenet.plus.net&rnum=4
Or search Google groups for alt.uk.a-levels+unlimited+resits
What's your point?
Stuart Williams
The maths a-level has been made much easier and is now in line with all
other subjects that are of AS standard. The people who will take the new AS
course in Maths will find it much easier as it truly is now only AS standard
and the harder stuff has been transfered to the A2.

What is worrying is already this year's overall pass rate for A-LEVEL MATHS
was 37.9% almost 40% of students in maths got A grades.

When these new revised maths specifications are awarded next year it seems
like there will be a large rise in number of A's in Maths.....

It could be almost 50% A grades in Maths..... quite crazy, maybe less
people will fail it was well considering the AS people will take their AS
certificate and only the best AS people taking it on to A2...
Stuart Williams
2004-08-23 13:11:30 UTC
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Post by OK
The maths a-level has been made much easier and is now in line with all
other subjects that are of AS standard.
The people who will take the new AS
course in Maths will find it much easier as it truly is now only AS standard
and the harder stuff has been transfered to the A2.
What is worrying is already this year's overall pass rate for A-LEVEL MATHS
was 37.9% almost 40% of students in maths got A grades.
Why is this worrying?? Maths is a totally different kind of subject from
say History or Design/Technology. For a start, it has a different "client
base" (both in terms of numbers taking it, and in terms of average
ability taken over the whole field of entrants - i.e. fewer duff
candidates plough through to the end of the course). Also, it tends to
concentrate on questions which are either right or wrong, so poor
candidates get instant feedback telling them to give up. And there are
many different ways of composing your A level (e.g., P1, P2, P3, S1, S2,
M1) so you can play to your strengths. So I can't see why 40% is somehow
scandalously lax. (On the contrary - as you suggest, it was already
generally recognised as the hardest of all the AS [and therefore A level]
courses.)
Post by OK
When these new revised maths specifications are awarded next year it seems
like there will be a large rise in number of A's in Maths.....
It could be almost 50% A grades in Maths..... quite crazy,
Again, why? Are you hankering after a return to norm-referenced grades
(e.g. top 10% get A's, 30% fail - no matter how good they are
in comparison with previous cohorts)?
Post by OK
maybe less
people will fail it [w]as well considering the AS people will take their AS
certificate and only the best AS people taking it on to A2...
One aspect you don't seem to have taken into account is the absolute
number of candidates taking Maths. If most of those who used to get E/U
don't even enter for AS, of course pass rates and A grade rates will go
up!

SW
John Porcella
2004-08-23 20:11:39 UTC
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Post by Stuart Williams
Post by OK
The maths a-level has been made much easier and is now in line with all
other subjects that are of AS standard.
The people who will take the new AS
course in Maths will find it much easier as it truly is now only AS standard
and the harder stuff has been transfered to the A2.
What is worrying is already this year's overall pass rate for A-LEVEL MATHS
was 37.9% almost 40% of students in maths got A grades.
Why is this worrying?? Maths is a totally different kind of subject from
say History or Design/Technology. For a start, it has a different "client
base" (both in terms of numbers taking it, and in terms of average
ability taken over the whole field of entrants - i.e. fewer duff
candidates plough through to the end of the course). Also, it tends to
concentrate on questions which are either right or wrong, so poor
candidates get instant feedback telling them to give up. And there are
many different ways of composing your A level (e.g., P1, P2, P3, S1, S2,
M1) so you can play to your strengths. So I can't see why 40% is somehow
scandalously lax. (On the contrary - as you suggest, it was already
generally recognised as the hardest of all the AS [and therefore A level]
courses.)
I agree, Stuart.
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John Porcella
H Bergeron
2004-08-23 14:53:13 UTC
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Post by Julian
http://www.jcgq.org.uk/Publications_and_Common_Docs/03_13_Change_to_re-sit_rule.pdf
Post by Stuart Williams
Post by Julian
Apparently since Jan 1st 2004, all GCE exams/units can be now be taken
an unlimited number of times.
Yes, we know. See
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.uk.a-
levels+unlimited+resits&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
8&safe=off&selm=MPG.1a6e5c77fc938e2a9896d1%40usenet.plus.net&rnum=4
Or search Google groups for alt.uk.a-levels+unlimited+resits
What's your point?
Stuart Williams
The maths a-level has been made much easier and is now in line with all
other subjects that are of AS standard. The people who will take the new AS
course in Maths will find it much easier as it truly is now only AS standard
and the harder stuff has been transfered to the A2.
It's worth distinguishing between the volume of work and its
difficulty. There has been a trimming of the amount of content, but
what has been removed is applications work (mechanics, statistics or
decision/discrete), with the 'pure' core being left intact overall. It
tends to be the pure that students find hardest, so in theory all the
"harder stuff" is still there in the AS. (OTOH many centres have been
running implementations of AS that include A2 work...)
Post by Julian
What is worrying is already this year's overall pass rate for A-LEVEL MATHS
was 37.9% almost 40% of students in maths got A grades.
Do you find it equally worrying that well over 80% get A grades in
ancient Greek? If not, what distinguishes the two cases? Before
agreeing with your concern, I'd like to be clear about what,
precisely, you are concerned about.
Post by Julian
When these new revised maths specifications are awarded next year it seems
like there will be a large rise in number of A's in Maths.....
Are you still talking about A2 grades? If so the effect of a
slimmed-down AS may well be to *reduce* the A rate at A2.

Currently there is a very high attrition rate during and at the end of
the AS year because of the content overload. Many middle-ranking and
weaker students are dropping maths who (everyone hopes) will be
persuaded to continue with it under the new arrangements. If the plan
works, and *if* all other things were equal, the proportion of A2
students achieving A grades would *decrease*.

But I've been talking about *proportions*, whereas you mentioned
*numbers*. Nearly everyone wants the numbers achieving *all* the
grades to increase.
Post by Julian
It could be almost 50% A grades in Maths..... quite crazy, maybe less
people will fail it was well considering the AS people will take their AS
certificate and only the best AS people taking it on to A2...
Very, very few people should ever fail A2, obviously. This applies to
all subjects. After the end of the AS year, only those with good
prospects of passing should continue to A2.
John Porcella
2004-08-23 20:08:53 UTC
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Yes, this has been the case for a short while now.

However, there are mumblings that this may be restricted.
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