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Neil
2006-04-03 09:11:55 UTC
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Hi all.

I know this is a piece of string type question, but I'd like opinions on
how much time you think a student should be spending revising for exams over
the Easter break.

My daughter needs 3 As to get her place at Uni. She's taking French,
Politics, Economics and Latin. Exams are approaching and she will be gutted
if she doesn't get her grades. However, there are the age old problem
tensions of balancing work with socializing and I'd like some opinions to
make sure I have a balanced view when talking to her.

Appreciate any help.

Neil
Matthew Huntbach
2006-04-03 09:42:24 UTC
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Post by Neil
Hi all.
I know this is a piece of string type question, but I'd like opinions on
how much time you think a student should be spending revising for exams over
the Easter break.
My daughter needs 3 As to get her place at Uni. She's taking French,
Politics, Economics and Latin. Exams are approaching and she will be gutted
if she doesn't get her grades. However, there are the age old problem
tensions of balancing work with socializing and I'd like some opinions to
make sure I have a balanced view when talking to her.
Appreciate any help.
Neil
My strong advice is that education should be treated as a full time job,
particularly at A-level and university stage when those doing it can be
counted as adults. This means students should be aiming to put about 40
hours per week into it. Note this is intended to be an upper limit as
well as a lower limit i.e. I am saying doing much more than that is as
bad as doing much less. You perform better if you are not overworked.
Coming up to exams, it's important to get plenty of fresh air and
exercise and rest. Socialising too, if that's important, but probably
best to go a little easy on late nights - a good sleep pattern is really
crucial for exam performance.

The pattern of not putting in enough work during time you are taking the
course, and then trying to put in too many hours as "revision" is a very
bad one. Steady work throughout the course means you learn as you do it,
and revision needn't be a big thing.

Matthew Huntbach
Caroline
2006-04-03 18:01:12 UTC
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Post by Neil
Hi all.
I know this is a piece of string type question, but I'd like opinions on
how much time you think a student should be spending revising for exams
over the Easter break.
My daughter needs 3 As to get her place at Uni. She's taking French,
Politics, Economics and Latin. Exams are approaching and she will be
gutted if she doesn't get her grades. However, there are the age old
problem tensions of balancing work with socializing and I'd like some
opinions to make sure I have a balanced view when talking to her.
Appreciate any help.
Neil
I speak as a parent who has had two children go through A levels (one is
still at uni and one is now a post-grad. student). If your daughter is
sitting her A levels this summer, I'd think that it is a bit late to have
discussions about the amount of work necessary :) If she can't discipline
herself to the work necessary now, she will struggle at university. At 18 (I
assume) it is far better to let them learn by their own experience - I'd
given up arguing at this stage :) Good luck !

Caroline
John Porcella
2006-04-03 22:10:33 UTC
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Post by Caroline
I speak as a parent
You are not 'speaking' at all! Well, at least not here!

who has had two children go through A levels (one is
Post by Caroline
still at uni and one is now a post-grad. student). If your daughter is
sitting her A levels this summer, I'd think that it is a bit late to have
discussions about the amount of work necessary :) If she can't discipline
herself to the work necessary now, she will struggle at university.
University can be worried about later, IF she gets in. At the moment she
has one target in front of her, her 'A' levels. Worry about one thing at a
time is enough.

At 18 (I
Post by Caroline
assume) it is far better to let them learn by their own experience
You have a good point, but she might appreciate support from her
parent/guardian in the form of a bit of push.
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John Porcella
2006-04-03 22:06:44 UTC
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Post by Neil
Hi all.
I know this is a piece of string type question, but I'd like opinions on
how much time you think a student should be spending revising for exams over
the Easter break.
My daughter needs 3 As to get her place at Uni. She's taking French,
Politics, Economics and Latin. Exams are approaching and she will be gutted
if she doesn't get her grades. However, there are the age old problem
tensions of balancing work with socializing and I'd like some opinions to
make sure I have a balanced view when talking to her.
Neil,

It very much depends on how good she is and what sort of marks she is
currently carrying from previous modules taken. I managed A grades in
Business Studies and Economics with no revision whatsoever as I found them
very easy. However, mathematics and statistics required all of my attention
as I find the examinations more challenging.

Otherwise, I would suggest that if she absolutely cannot afford to get
anything less than top grades, then it would not kill her if she had no
social life over Easter; a short term element of suffering for long term
gain!
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Neil
2006-04-05 09:38:51 UTC
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Thanks to you all for your responses. This is obviously an issue that I'm
not alone in facing. There is clearly a fine line to be drawn between
pushing our sons/daughters to ensure they keep up the pace whilst not
overdoing it and adding stress and/or putting a strain on relationships.

As for us, it's time to provide that supporting environment and back off
from the pushing. Our daughter is bright and certainly has it within her
grasp to get the grades she needs for her uni course.

I also wrote to the Exam Doctor. He's a resource provided by the QCA to
provide support to students and parents. His reply was helpful too - I've
included it below.

Thanks for your advice

Neil

Hi Neil and thank you for your question. Thankfully I am past that stage
now and I can give advice to others, without any personal involvement, and
relax. However, I remember it well - and largely it is to do with growing
up for the young person and beginning to be independent. Transitional
phases are never easy. But first off, I have some notes which your daughter
might find helpful, and they can be downloaded from:
http://www.qca.org.uk/7341.html Getting started is always the most difficult
part - in most cases - but then that applies to adults too, when we have to
do something which we would rather not.

Now parents - they should be seen and not heard. Because, otherwise what
can you do - apart from have rows. And then all energies will be put into
matters of principle. 'Going out again tonight? You were out last night and
at the weekend'. And that is where the difficulty lies. So the person who
needs to understand what has to be done and how to go about it - and to
suffer if she doesn't - is your daughter. Because once she takes ownership
of her own destiny, she will become motivated - realising that success or
failure depends solely on her, and not her parents - or anyone else for that
matter.

Tea and sympathy, and a place to study - and lots of time to listen, but
only if she wants to talk would be helpful. The question is, of course,
does your daughter know the rules and how to react to your way of dealing
with the issue? Whatever, I am pretty sure that the dominant parent
attitude doesn't work - although there is the temptation not to stand aside
and see them making a mistake - when if they would only do what we suggest,
then everything would be ok.

Certainly, planning ahead - in terms of what she has to do and the work she
has to cover - is a first step. And then a balance of work and recreation
is important too. So that when she works she works and when she plays she
plays. See my notes, on how to get started.

The difficult part for you as a parent is watching, in the belief that she
hasn't got her priorities right. But I guess we all went through that stage
too, and most of us end up fairly-well balanced, and possibly in one piece.
But your daughter would be 'gutted' if she didn't get the grades she needs -
so maybe she is already motivated. These are ambitious grades and to be
going for them suggests that she has already done exceptionally well in her
school career - so be careful that you don't bring extra stress to bear
needlessly.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,

Exams Doctor
John Porcella
2006-04-05 15:15:18 UTC
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Post by Neil
Thanks to you all for your responses. This is obviously an issue that I'm
not alone in facing. There is clearly a fine line to be drawn between
pushing our sons/daughters to ensure they keep up the pace whilst not
overdoing it and adding stress and/or putting a strain on relationships.
I doubt very much that you would overdo it. Teenagers would soon rebel if
pushed beyond their comfort zone.

So what if relationships are strained if it means it helps her to get her
grades? She might be annoyed in the short term, but understand later.
Post by Neil
As for us, it's time to provide that supporting environment and back off
from the pushing. Our daughter is bright and certainly has it within her
grasp to get the grades she needs for her uni course.
Good news.

You could get a private tutor to help out. Another adult to push her who
she does not have to face 24/7.
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