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jess
2004-08-24 23:26:41 UTC
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does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how are
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
Toby
2004-08-25 00:10:47 UTC
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Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how are
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
It's ok...But completely unsociable, apart from one week when you
might go off to do a summer school thingy...

To do an entire degree it would take SIX years if you were to do 60
credits a year, which is generally one course, though the first ones
are usually 30...It's a proper degree, though I think you have to put
BSc/BA (Open)...Dunno if it's mandatory though...If it isn't, I
wouldn't :P

You probably have to be retired or independently wealthy to do it in a
shorter space of time, though I did 90 in one year...

I did Latin and also an English Literature one, and there were loads
of books and cassettes (what are they?!?!?!) and they sent out a few
problem sheets and things...Basically you just have to learn from
books...But I suppose you got a taste of that at Emma, i.e.
independent learnin'...

You can contact your assigned tutor if you need to, and for mine there
were a few classes in my local area, which I didn't go to, 'cause I
knew everyone else would be all icky and old 'n' stuff...

You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!

So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?

Go to proper uni., Jess!!!
OK
2004-08-25 00:32:28 UTC
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Post by Toby
Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how are
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
It's ok...But completely unsociable, apart from one week when you
might go off to do a summer school thingy...
To do an entire degree it would take SIX years if you were to do 60
credits a year, which is generally one course, though the first ones
are usually 30...It's a proper degree, though I think you have to put
BSc/BA (Open)...Dunno if it's mandatory though...If it isn't, I
wouldn't :P
You probably have to be retired or independently wealthy to do it in a
shorter space of time, though I did 90 in one year...
I did Latin and also an English Literature one, and there were loads
of books and cassettes (what are they?!?!?!) and they sent out a few
problem sheets and things...Basically you just have to learn from
books...But I suppose you got a taste of that at Emma, i.e.
independent learnin'...
You can contact your assigned tutor if you need to, and for mine there
were a few classes in my local area, which I didn't go to, 'cause I
knew everyone else would be all icky and old 'n' stuff...
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
Go to proper uni., Jess!!!
I thought Jessica was studying Medicine? or English or was it Law? But I
can recall her posting her and she must have changed to Law and now must be
doing English?
Robert de Vincy
2004-08-25 07:50:19 UTC
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Toby did write:

[snip tales of OU]

Wow. The mystery that is Toby Waterworth deepens.

Why did you decide to start an OU degree? And... when?
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Toby
2004-08-25 11:25:54 UTC
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Post by Robert de Vincy
[snip tales of OU]
Wow. The mystery that is Toby Waterworth deepens.
Why did you decide to start an OU degree? And... when?
I don't see it as starting a degree, I won't be taking it any further;
it was for a larf, innit.

Latin always interested me and it vexed me muchly that I couldn't do
it at my lovely state school, and though I'm not taking English
further, it's probably my best/second best subject for Toby
Talent...(This is a relative statement - I could still be complete
shit at it so don't flame me for arrogance!!)

I started it this year (having registered by the October deadline
thingyamy-giblet). The courses start in February and generally end in
October.
jess
2004-08-25 16:40:26 UTC
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Post by Toby
Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also,
how are their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal'
uni?
It's ok...But completely unsociable, apart from one week when you
might go off to do a summer school thingy...
that's not a problem, i'm not bothered about the social side at all.
Post by Toby
To do an entire degree it would take SIX years if you were to do 60
credits a year, which is generally one course, though the first ones
are usually 30...It's a proper degree, though I think you have to put
BSc/BA (Open)...Dunno if it's mandatory though...If it isn't, I
wouldn't :P
why? are ou degrees regarded as lower quality than normal ones?
Post by Toby
You probably have to be retired or independently wealthy to do it in a
shorter space of time, though I did 90 in one year...
well yeh, as i'm working full time i don't think i'd want to do it more
quickly than over six years.
Post by Toby
I did Latin and also an English Literature one, and there were loads
of books and cassettes (what are they?!?!?!) and they sent out a few
problem sheets and things...Basically you just have to learn from
books...But I suppose you got a taste of that at Emma, i.e.
independent learnin'...
not really, medicine is pretty much spoon fed tbh.
Post by Toby
You can contact your assigned tutor if you need to, and for mine there
were a few classes in my local area, which I didn't go to, 'cause I
knew everyone else would be all icky and old 'n' stuff...
hmmm. so not actual lectures or anything then?

that sucks a bit.
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
in what way is it worse than full time uni?
Post by Toby
Go to proper uni., Jess!!!
i don't want to :p
Toby
2004-08-25 16:48:59 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Toby
Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also,
how are their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal'
uni?
It's ok...But completely unsociable, apart from one week when you
might go off to do a summer school thingy...
that's not a problem, i'm not bothered about the social side at all.
Post by Toby
To do an entire degree it would take SIX years if you were to do 60
credits a year, which is generally one course, though the first ones
are usually 30...It's a proper degree, though I think you have to put
BSc/BA (Open)...Dunno if it's mandatory though...If it isn't, I
wouldn't :P
why? are ou degrees regarded as lower quality than normal ones?
I'm not in a position to say...
Post by jess
Post by Toby
You probably have to be retired or independently wealthy to do it in a
shorter space of time, though I did 90 in one year...
well yeh, as i'm working full time i don't think i'd want to do it more
quickly than over six years.
Post by Toby
I did Latin and also an English Literature one, and there were loads
of books and cassettes (what are they?!?!?!) and they sent out a few
problem sheets and things...Basically you just have to learn from
books...But I suppose you got a taste of that at Emma, i.e.
independent learnin'...
not really, medicine is pretty much spoon fed tbh.
But you did do work outside of lectures etc.. That's all this will be.
Post by jess
Post by Toby
You can contact your assigned tutor if you need to, and for mine there
were a few classes in my local area, which I didn't go to, 'cause I
knew everyone else would be all icky and old 'n' stuff...
hmmm. so not actual lectures or anything then?
Just a few classes, maybe once a month or something...
Post by jess
that sucks a bit.
Yup.
Post by jess
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
in what way is it worse than full time uni?
As above, the experience is less and I think the quality too...
Post by jess
Post by Toby
Go to proper uni., Jess!!!
i don't want to :p
Awwww I don't know why but that makes me sad.
jess
2004-08-25 16:59:17 UTC
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Post by Toby
Post by jess
why? are ou degrees regarded as lower quality than normal ones?
I'm not in a position to say...
why not?

is anyone here?
Post by Toby
Post by jess
Post by Toby
Go to proper uni., Jess!!!
i don't want to :p
Awwww I don't know why but that makes me sad.
don't be. university is great for some people, but not for me.

plus i really don't want the hassle of moving away somewhere during term
time, then having to come and live at home in the holidays for another three
years.

if i was to go to 'proper uni', it'd be cardiff, but they don't seem to do
part time courses in the evening so i think the ou option would be easier
for me.
Toby
2004-08-25 18:54:44 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Toby
Post by jess
why? are ou degrees regarded as lower quality than normal ones?
I'm not in a position to say...
why not?
is anyone here?
Post by Toby
Post by jess
Post by Toby
Go to proper uni., Jess!!!
i don't want to :p
Awwww I don't know why but that makes me sad.
don't be. university is great for some people, but not for me.
plus i really don't want the hassle of moving away somewhere during term
time, then having to come and live at home in the holidays for another three
years.
if i was to go to 'proper uni', it'd be cardiff, but they don't seem to do
part time courses in the evening so i think the ou option would be easier
for me.
Bear in mind the costs....Each course will cost you hundreds...Though
you can pay by installments, assuming your credit is good, through
their own Student Account Thingy.
jess
2004-08-26 13:01:14 UTC
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Post by Toby
Bear in mind the costs....Each course will cost you hundreds...Though
you can pay by installments, assuming your credit is good, through
their own Student Account Thingy.
the cost of the tutition over the whole degree is equal to or less than the
cost of tuition for a 'normal' degree.
Toby
2004-08-26 14:34:08 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Toby
Bear in mind the costs....Each course will cost you hundreds...Though
you can pay by installments, assuming your credit is good, through
their own Student Account Thingy.
the cost of the tutition over the whole degree is equal to or less than the
cost of tuition for a 'normal' degree.
I didn't mention a normal degree, I just mentioned that there are
costs :)
Ian/Cath Ford
2004-08-25 18:58:18 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Toby
Post by jess
why? are ou degrees regarded as lower quality than normal ones?
I'm not in a position to say...
why not?
is anyone here?
I know virtually nothing about OU really, but I remember years ago
lots of OU summer school sused to be held at Reading. We tended to
hang around during the holidays and go to the union, which was open
with all these OU dudes having a good time, and there was some debate
about whether OU degrees should have honours status, so t may stem
from that.

I can imagine people who haven't any experience of OU dudes might
think they were second class. I could certainly see people in
teaching having that pov. But, as Serenity says, anyone who's come
across OU dudes who have held down families, jobs and a general life
whilst doing something else part time would appreciate how much work's
involved.

I only do a single evening a week at college at about A level standard
and it's changed totally my perspective on coursework and hat kids
have to balance. It's impossible to fir in everything I want to do
and still "study".
Post by jess
don't be. university is great for some people, but not for me.
You can always go back to it at some point you know.

What courses btw?

Ian
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The view from Beccles

I loved the words you wrote to me/But that was bloody yesterday

No e-mail address. If you want to talk to me then talk here to start with and we can go back to your place later...
jess
2004-08-26 13:04:21 UTC
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Post by Ian/Cath Ford
Post by jess
Post by Toby
Post by jess
why? are ou degrees regarded as lower quality than normal ones?
I'm not in a position to say...
why not?
is anyone here?
I know virtually nothing about OU really, but I remember years ago
lots of OU summer school sused to be held at Reading. We tended to
hang around during the holidays and go to the union, which was open
with all these OU dudes having a good time, and there was some debate
about whether OU degrees should have honours status, so t may stem
from that.
they do now.
Post by Ian/Cath Ford
I can imagine people who haven't any experience of OU dudes might
think they were second class. I could certainly see people in
teaching having that pov. But, as Serenity says, anyone who's come
across OU dudes who have held down families, jobs and a general life
whilst doing something else part time would appreciate how much work's
involved.
I only do a single evening a week at college at about A level standard
and it's changed totally my perspective on coursework and hat kids
have to balance. It's impossible to fir in everything I want to do
and still "study".
i suppose i am still lucky enough to be in a situation where as i don't have
kids or anything, i still have a large amount of free time and so 15 hours a
week will be very doable.
Post by Ian/Cath Ford
Post by jess
don't be. university is great for some people, but not for me.
You can always go back to it at some point you know.
i know i could, but i've thought about this quite a lot and i've come to the
conclusion that i don't want to.
Post by Ian/Cath Ford
What courses btw?
initially it was definately going to be the literature degree, but i've been
looking around and there's loads of stuff that interests me.
Richard Magrath
2004-08-26 12:53:32 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Toby
Awwww I don't know why but that makes me sad.
don't be. university is great for some people, but not for me.
plus i really don't want the hassle of moving away somewhere during term
time, then having to come and live at home in the holidays for another three
years.
if i was to go to 'proper uni', it'd be cardiff, but they don't seem to do
part time courses in the evening so i think the ou option would be easier
for me.
Wow, how long ago was it that I last read this group? Jess was
becoming a doctor, Anjool was worried about his maths results, Ian
Ford only had one child, I think rationing had just ended...

I always thought that a Open University degree was designed for people
with fairly professional jobs (i.e. something they were stuck in and
didn't really have the option of taking a sabbatical from) who wanted
another (strong) professional qualification and were willing to
temporarily sacrifice their personal lives for it. Or for Julie
Walters in Educating Rita. "Eh, how can you study Blake without
Innocence and Experience?"

But I digress.

Maybe Jess has considered learning a trade? Lots of money in that,
everyone says.

(BTW the term time-and-then-home move is annoying, but is somewhat
ameliorated by renting non-college accomodation, where the rent covers
10 continuous months of the year).

Richard
Davido
2004-08-27 15:08:06 UTC
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Post by Richard Magrath
Wow, how long ago was it that I last read this group? Jess was
becoming a doctor, Anjool was worried about his maths results, Ian
Ford only had one child, I think rationing had just ended...
And Stuart Williams suggested that what Anjool gets up to at
university is worthless and that he isn't worth his place at Oxford...
www.geocities.com/musicplanet2k/oxford.htm
Stuart Williams
2004-08-27 15:56:00 UTC
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Post by Davido
Post by Richard Magrath
Wow, how long ago was it that I last read this group? Jess was
becoming a doctor, Anjool was worried about his maths results, Ian
Ford only had one child, I think rationing had just ended...
And Stuart Williams suggested that what Anjool gets up to at
university is worthless and that he isn't worth his place at Oxford...
www.geocities.com/musicplanet2k/oxford.htm
Would you have done it all anyway, whether I'd been nasty to you or
not? Now, I'm mentally writing a post berating you for not doing enough
work........


SW
Davido
2004-08-28 14:25:03 UTC
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Post by Stuart Williams
Would you have done it all anyway, whether I'd been nasty to you or
not?
[sarcasm]Well, obviously I've done everything with the sole intention
of proving you wrong.[/sarcasm]
Post by Stuart Williams
Now, I'm mentally writing a post berating you for not doing enough
work........
I'm doing fine - 2.1 (1st in 2/5 papers) in Mods, predicted 1st/2.1
for finals.
Stuart Williams
2004-08-28 16:56:32 UTC
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Post by Davido
Post by Stuart Williams
Would you have done it all anyway, whether I'd been nasty to you or
not?
[sarcasm]Well, obviously I've done everything with the sole intention
of proving you wrong.[/sarcasm]
How's Polly Curtis these days? Still friends?

SW
Davido
2004-08-28 22:50:07 UTC
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Post by Stuart Williams
Post by Davido
[sarcasm]Well, obviously I've done everything with the sole intention
of proving you wrong.[/sarcasm]
How's Polly Curtis these days? Still friends?
LOL

Good one.
Robert de Vincy
2004-08-25 16:50:49 UTC
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jess did write:

[snip]
Post by jess
not really, medicine is pretty much spoon fed tbh.
Humour!
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John Porcella
2004-08-25 23:14:35 UTC
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Post by Toby
Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how are
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
It's ok...But completely unsociable, apart from one week when you
might go off to do a summer school thingy...
To do an entire degree it would take SIX years if you were to do 60
credits a year, which is generally one course, though the first ones
are usually 30...It's a proper degree, though I think you have to put
BSc/BA (Open)...Dunno if it's mandatory though...If it isn't, I
wouldn't :P
You probably have to be retired or independently wealthy to do it in a
shorter space of time, though I did 90 in one year...
I did Latin and also an English Literature one, and there were loads
of books and cassettes (what are they?!?!?!) and they sent out a few
problem sheets and things...Basically you just have to learn from
books...But I suppose you got a taste of that at Emma, i.e.
independent learnin'...
You can contact your assigned tutor if you need to, and for mine there
were a few classes in my local area, which I didn't go to, 'cause I
knew everyone else would be all icky and old 'n' stuff...
Like you? Why do you think that nobody would be in your same situation?
Anyway, even if they were old, so what? You might have gained something
from their company, like less prejudice against the old! If you live that
long, you may be one of them eventually!
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
That is called work.
Post by Toby
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
Did you finish your course?
--
MESSAGE ENDS.
John Porcella
Toby
2004-08-26 09:34:33 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:14:35 +0000 (UTC), "John Porcella"
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how
are
Post by Toby
Post by jess
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
It's ok...But completely unsociable, apart from one week when you
might go off to do a summer school thingy...
To do an entire degree it would take SIX years if you were to do 60
credits a year, which is generally one course, though the first ones
are usually 30...It's a proper degree, though I think you have to put
BSc/BA (Open)...Dunno if it's mandatory though...If it isn't, I
wouldn't :P
You probably have to be retired or independently wealthy to do it in a
shorter space of time, though I did 90 in one year...
I did Latin and also an English Literature one, and there were loads
of books and cassettes (what are they?!?!?!) and they sent out a few
problem sheets and things...Basically you just have to learn from
books...But I suppose you got a taste of that at Emma, i.e.
independent learnin'...
You can contact your assigned tutor if you need to, and for mine there
were a few classes in my local area, which I didn't go to, 'cause I
knew everyone else would be all icky and old 'n' stuff...
Like you? Why do you think that nobody would be in your same situation?
Anyway, even if they were old, so what? You might have gained something
from their company, like less prejudice against the old! If you live that
long, you may be one of them eventually!
Like me? I'm only just past school age, so not old, and not yet icky.
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
That is called work.
Let me know when you can tell me something I do not know.
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
Did you finish your course?
You might see that I mentionin the thread that the course finishes in
October, so the course has yet to end.

When are you going to answer Stuart's questions - or are you ignoring
them fastidiously because you have no answer, in other words, you are
wrong?
Robert de Vincy
2004-08-26 12:05:57 UTC
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Toby did write:

[snip]
Post by Toby
When are you going to answer Stuart's questions - or are you ignoring
them fastidiously because you have no answer, in other words, you are
wrong?
Just as he ignored---no, actually snipped away the two extracts from
OE and ME that I found in which "say" is used in a non-literal sense
and the question I presented at the end in which I asked him on what
grounds -- apart from personal quirkiness -- he can justify his
condemnation of non-literal "say".

Historically? Nah. It's not like there was a Golden Age in which
"say" only meant "spoke some words", as the quick search I did throws
up several examples stretching back at least 1100 years. We used it
non-literally then, we still use it non-literally now.

Demotically? Nah. JPorc is the only person I've ever met who
insists on only literal "say". Okay, so perhaps this might be a
biased sample, but no one else here has put their hand up to admit
that they, too, think that "say" should only be used literally.
Popular usage is against him.

Appealing to authority? Again: nah. New Shorter OED CD-ROM has this
for "say":
"1 With simple obj. or direct speech: utter, pronounce, or speak (a
word, words, an articulate sound); offer as a remark, put forward.
Also, (of a book, letter, notice, author, etc.) state in the words
specified, have as wording."
"2 With cl., or w. simple or pronominal obj.: declare or state in spoken
words (a fact, thought, opinion, intention, etc.); promise, predict;
transf. convey, communicate, mean, indicate. (Foll. by to; orig. w.
dat. obj.)"
With some quotations for illustration:
"V. WOOLF 'Merchant of this city,' the tombstone said."
"W. J. BURLEY The perpetual calendar said Wednesday August 25th."
"K. H. DIGBY Gibbon says..the French monarchy was created by the
bishops."
Random House Webster's Unabridged CD-ROM has this:
"7. to express (a message, viewpoint, etc.), as through a literary or
other artistic medium: _a writer with something to say._
8. to indicate or show: _What does your watch say?_"
I'd offer some more, but I'm at work right now and I only have access to
two CD-ROM dictionaries. Still... I'm quite confident that I will find
similar entries in all the paper dictionaries I have at home.

So, after finding no support there, what else remains? Ah, yes, the
rules that exist in the World of John Porcella.
But only one person lives there.
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BdeV
Stuart Williams
2004-08-26 16:17:03 UTC
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Post by Toby
When are you going to answer Stuart's questions - or are you ignoring
them fastidiously because you have no answer, in other words, you are
wrong?
In case you've forgotten, John, you wrote the following
Post by Toby
The principal/primary reason [of "say"] is better supported,
I think you will find;
this might easily explain why it is the primary definition.
And I wrote this:

So no metaphorical extension of meaning will ever do, eh? So to you, the
following words cannot be used according to the attached definitions:

Niche: A situation place or condition appropriate for a person or thing.
(Primary meaning: a recess in a wall)

Face: The front or surface of anything, as a cliff. (Primary meaning: the
front part of the head)

To feel: to be keenly sensible of (Primary meaning: to perceive by the
touch).

This last example is precisely analogous to your obsession with "say": if
you can't admit "say" = "express in written words", you can't justify the
use of "feel" = "[as above]".


So, what's your answer?

Stuart Williams
John Porcella
2004-08-26 19:22:39 UTC
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Post by Toby
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:14:35 +0000 (UTC), "John Porcella"
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how
are
Post by Toby
Post by jess
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
It's ok...But completely unsociable, apart from one week when you
might go off to do a summer school thingy...
To do an entire degree it would take SIX years if you were to do 60
credits a year, which is generally one course, though the first ones
are usually 30...It's a proper degree, though I think you have to put
BSc/BA (Open)...Dunno if it's mandatory though...If it isn't, I
wouldn't :P
You probably have to be retired or independently wealthy to do it in a
shorter space of time, though I did 90 in one year...
I did Latin and also an English Literature one, and there were loads
of books and cassettes (what are they?!?!?!) and they sent out a few
problem sheets and things...Basically you just have to learn from
books...But I suppose you got a taste of that at Emma, i.e.
independent learnin'...
You can contact your assigned tutor if you need to, and for mine there
were a few classes in my local area, which I didn't go to, 'cause I
knew everyone else would be all icky and old 'n' stuff...
Like you? Why do you think that nobody would be in your same situation?
Anyway, even if they were old, so what? You might have gained something
from their company, like less prejudice against the old! If you live that
long, you may be one of them eventually!
Like me? I'm only just past school age, so not old, and not yet icky.
Not yet, but should you live so long you may be one of those that you looked
unfavourably towards!
Post by Toby
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
That is called work.
Let me know when you can tell me something I do not know.
Why were you annoyed that you were expected to work for the qualification?
Post by Toby
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
Did you finish your course?
You might see that I mentionin the thread that the course finishes in
October, so the course has yet to end.
Okay...got there eventually!

Good luck!
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John Porcella
2004-08-26 19:24:42 UTC
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Post by Toby
When are you going to answer Stuart's questions - or are you ignoring
them fastidiously because you have no answer, in other words, you are
wrong?
??

Jess asked about the OU which I have partially responded to!
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Toby
2004-08-26 20:38:44 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:24:42 +0000 (UTC), "John Porcella"
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
When are you going to answer Stuart's questions - or are you ignoring
them fastidiously because you have no answer, in other words, you are
wrong?
??
Jess asked about the OU which I have partially responded to!
Don't be obtuse.
John Porcella
2004-08-26 21:49:13 UTC
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Post by Toby
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:24:42 +0000 (UTC), "John Porcella"
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
When are you going to answer Stuart's questions - or are you ignoring
them fastidiously because you have no answer, in other words, you are
wrong?
??
Jess asked about the OU which I have partially responded to!
Don't be obtuse.
If you would be bothered to make yourself clearer it might help.
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John Porcella
Toby
2004-08-27 08:23:34 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:49:13 +0000 (UTC), "John Porcella"
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:24:42 +0000 (UTC), "John Porcella"
Post by John Porcella
Post by Toby
When are you going to answer Stuart's questions - or are you ignoring
them fastidiously because you have no answer, in other words, you are
wrong?
??
Jess asked about the OU which I have partially responded to!
Don't be obtuse.
If you would be bothered to make yourself clearer it might help.
Now that you've attempted Stuart's post, it's not necessary.
David Haardt
2004-08-29 14:15:30 UTC
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Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
What's your estimate of the weekly time necessary for a bright and
motivated student to do 60 credits per year?

David Haardt
Toby
2004-08-29 15:42:11 UTC
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Post by David Haardt
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an exam
at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted equally
and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing thousands of words
for the English ones was annoying!
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
What's your estimate of the weekly time necessary for a bright and
motivated student to do 60 credits per year?
David Haardt
Five-seven hours, give or take...60 credits being worth half a year.
jess
2004-08-29 16:04:42 UTC
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Post by Toby
Post by David Haardt
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an
exam at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted
equally and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing
thousands of words for the English ones was annoying!
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
What's your estimate of the weekly time necessary for a bright and
motivated student to do 60 credits per year?
David Haardt
Five-seven hours, give or take...60 credits being worth half a year.
interesting, their site reckons 15-16 ...
Toby
2004-08-29 16:37:14 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by Toby
Post by David Haardt
Post by Toby
You have to do an assignment, usually every month for a 60 credit
course, less frequently if it's a 30 I believe....Then you do an
exam at the end...Basically, it;s a joke 'cause both are counted
equally and the assignments are piss-easy...Though writing
thousands of words for the English ones was annoying!
So, *I* wouldn't rate it as much as a full-time uni., but then I
haven't been to a full-time uni. yet so I can't really compare!?
What's your estimate of the weekly time necessary for a bright and
motivated student to do 60 credits per year?
David Haardt
Five-seven hours, give or take...60 credits being worth half a year.
interesting, their site reckons 15-16 ...
Hmm, well they're not going to tell you to do the bare minimum, are
they...I'm not surprised, either, for every time target I've ever been
given about studying has been rubbish...Anyway, I'm sure it says the
time varies for each individual...

"Oooh, you must do as many hours study at home as you do at school..."
"Ooooh, four hours per week for each AS..."
"Ooooh, five hours per week for each A2..."

If I had done any of that I wouldn't have had a social life or any
kind of life for that matter...
Robert de Vincy
2004-08-29 16:40:20 UTC
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Post by Toby
Hmm, well they're not going to tell you to do the bare minimum, are
they...I'm not surprised, either, for every time target I've ever been
given about studying has been rubbish...Anyway, I'm sure it says the
time varies for each individual...
"Oooh, you must do as many hours study at home as you do at school..."
"Ooooh, four hours per week for each AS..."
"Ooooh, five hours per week for each A2..."
If I had done any of that I wouldn't have had a social life or any
kind of life for that matter...
An academic life, yes?
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Toby
2004-08-29 16:50:00 UTC
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Post by Robert de Vincy
Post by Toby
Hmm, well they're not going to tell you to do the bare minimum, are
they...I'm not surprised, either, for every time target I've ever been
given about studying has been rubbish...Anyway, I'm sure it says the
time varies for each individual...
"Oooh, you must do as many hours study at home as you do at school..."
"Ooooh, four hours per week for each AS..."
"Ooooh, five hours per week for each A2..."
If I had done any of that I wouldn't have had a social life or any
kind of life for that matter...
An academic life, yes?
Ooooh, such a lack of imagination :)

Serenity
2004-08-25 18:41:35 UTC
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HI there,
I'm in the last year of my OU degree.
I started in 1994 - had two kids and worked throughout.

It is very hard work - finding an extra 15 hours per week. (for 60 credits
per year).

It is highly regarded - anyone who sees the teaching league table will know
that OU scores consistently very highly. EMployers like the fact that you
struggled on.

Plan on it taking at least six years if not more.

Do you know what subject you might like to study.
Serenity

(Mine is IT and Science)
jess
2004-08-26 13:06:35 UTC
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Post by Serenity
HI there,
I'm in the last year of my OU degree.
I started in 1994 - had two kids and worked throughout.
It is very hard work - finding an extra 15 hours per week. (for 60
credits per year).
It is highly regarded - anyone who sees the teaching league table
will know that OU scores consistently very highly. EMployers like the
fact that you struggled on.
Plan on it taking at least six years if not more.
Do you know what subject you might like to study.
Serenity
(Mine is IT and Science)
thanks for the advice. i don't have children or anything so i don't think
i'll find it that hard to find the time, i was planning on doing it over 6
years.

i'm thinking of doing a literature degree, but there's lots of other courses
that interest me so i haven't made my mind up yet.
James Gregory
2004-08-25 21:19:44 UTC
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Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how are
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
People do OU degrees when they have an interest in a subject but real life
commitments prevent them from doing a full-time degree in said subject.

Lets consider other reasons why you might do a degree:

1. To get a job.
I severely doubt it would get you a graduate job, as graduate recruiters
don't care much about academic ability and are far more concerned about
"soft-skills" and all that nonsense.

2. To go into academia
I doubt it would be as respected for academia, though I could be wrong
here.

3. For the social side of things.
Nope.

So, if you have a great interest in a subject but would rather work and
study alongside your job, do an OU degree. Otherwise, don't bother,
because what's the point?

Also, a few years ago my Dad did in OU degree in Maths and Computing, and
got a starred first. It seemed to take up most of his evenings and
weekends for 6 years and he spent the rest of the time either at work or
commuting, not my idea of fun.

I know I'm the worst person in the world to be asking this question
(started a job as a cleaner a couple of days ago...), the doomsday
question is of course "what do you want to do in the future?", "where do
you see yourself in 5 years?", etc. If you really, genuinely want to stay
in Wales with your parents, and have no particular ambitions or wish to go
and meet new people from other parts of the country/world, then maybe you
should just get a job. Or maybe even look into
doing some sort of vocational training so you don't end up with a job as
shit as mine.

Meanwhile, if you're just in a bad mood and actually you would quite like
to meet new people and try new things, go do a degree in English or
something, sure in the knowledge you'll only need to work if you want to
and you can spend most of your life for three years socialising and stuff.

James
jess
2004-08-26 12:59:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Gregory
I know I'm the worst person in the world to be asking this question
(started a job as a cleaner a couple of days ago...), the doomsday
question is of course "what do you want to do in the future?", "where
do you see yourself in 5 years?", etc. If you really, genuinely want
to stay in Wales with your parents, and have no particular ambitions
or wish to go and meet new people from other parts of the
country/world, then maybe you should just get a job. Or maybe even
look into doing some sort of vocational training so you don't end up
with a job as shit as mine.
i think you misunderstand my situation.

i have a job, which is in the career i want, which i do not need a degree
for. i know exactly where i want to be in five years, and how to get there.
however, i am also interested in studying a degree just out of interest. as
cardiff doesn't do any part time evening courses, the ou seems the best
option for me, so therefore i was asking if people here had any experience
of it.

i don't want to stay living with my parents. that is why i *don't* wish to
go away to uni, as like i explained to toby, i would still be living at home
during the holidays. instead, i wish to stay in my job, save up a bit more
for my deposit, and then get a flat/ house in cardiff.

staying in wales doesn't prevent me from meeting new people from other parts
of the counrty or world.
Post by James Gregory
Meanwhile, if you're just in a bad mood and actually you would quite
like to meet new people and try new things, go do a degree in English
or something, sure in the knowledge you'll only need to work if you
want to and you can spend most of your life for three years
socialising and stuff.
i don't think that i can justify getting into at least £9,000 of debt just
to socialise.

this question is not just to james: what would i get out of stuyding a
traditional degree that i wouldn't get out of an ou degree?
James Gregory
2004-08-26 16:59:31 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by James Gregory
I know I'm the worst person in the world to be asking this question
(started a job as a cleaner a couple of days ago...), the doomsday
question is of course "what do you want to do in the future?", "where
do you see yourself in 5 years?", etc. If you really, genuinely want
to stay in Wales with your parents, and have no particular ambitions
or wish to go and meet new people from other parts of the
country/world, then maybe you should just get a job. Or maybe even
look into doing some sort of vocational training so you don't end up
with a job as shit as mine.
i think you misunderstand my situation.
Apparently so.
Post by jess
i have a job, which is in the career i want, which i do not need a degree
for. i know exactly where i want to be in five years, and how to get there.
however, i am also interested in studying a degree just out of interest. as
cardiff doesn't do any part time evening courses, the ou seems the best
option for me, so therefore i was asking if people here had any experience
of it.
Well, OK. When I worked as a postal sorter someone else there was doing an
OU masters in literature, and they seemed to really be enjoying it.
They had to go to a tutorial like once a week or something and write
essays, much like a normal degree.
Post by jess
this question is not just to james: what would i get out of stuyding a
traditional degree that i wouldn't get out of an ou degree?
Well, I've already given my answer. Given the 47-ish word
description of your situtation above, doing an OU degree sounds like a
pretty good choice to me.

James
Laura
2004-08-26 18:12:07 UTC
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Post by jess
Post by James Gregory
I know I'm the worst person in the world to be asking this question
(started a job as a cleaner a couple of days ago...), the doomsday
question is of course "what do you want to do in the future?", "where
do you see yourself in 5 years?", etc. If you really, genuinely want
to stay in Wales with your parents, and have no particular ambitions
or wish to go and meet new people from other parts of the
country/world, then maybe you should just get a job. Or maybe even
look into doing some sort of vocational training so you don't end up
with a job as shit as mine.
i think you misunderstand my situation.
i have a job, which is in the career i want, which i do not need a degree
for. i know exactly where i want to be in five years, and how to get there.
however, i am also interested in studying a degree just out of interest. as
cardiff doesn't do any part time evening courses, the ou seems the best
option for me, so therefore i was asking if people here had any experience
of it.
i don't want to stay living with my parents. that is why i *don't* wish to
go away to uni, as like i explained to toby, i would still be living at home
during the holidays. instead, i wish to stay in my job, save up a bit more
for my deposit, and then get a flat/ house in cardiff.
staying in wales doesn't prevent me from meeting new people from other parts
of the counrty or world.
Post by James Gregory
Meanwhile, if you're just in a bad mood and actually you would quite
like to meet new people and try new things, go do a degree in English
or something, sure in the knowledge you'll only need to work if you
want to and you can spend most of your life for three years
socialising and stuff.
i don't think that i can justify getting into at least £9,000 of debt just
to socialise.
this question is not just to james: what would i get out of stuyding a
traditional degree that i wouldn't get out of an ou degree?
I don't have any experience with the OU, but I'm currently halfway through a
two year distance learning law conversion course. In terms of mode of
study, its pretty similar to the OU - six weekends a year of (intensive)
tuition, and working at home from books and videos the rest of the time.
I've also done a three year maths degree at Warwick.

I'm getting much more out of the distance learning course than I ever did
out of the full time course. I don't think that has anything to do with
Warwick - which is a fantastic university - but more to do with the fact
that I never quite learned how to approach studying at degree level, and
with hindsight I think I struggled with the lack of spoonfeeding athough I
didn't realise this at the time. In the end, I only got a third, and that
was due to the university being kind to me as I technically failed my third
year.

The third has never been much of an issue, as I've since applied for and
been offered a number of jobs where the advert said that a 2:1 was
essential. I see no reason that I wouldn't have been offered those jobs if
I didn't have a degree at all, so as others have said I think a starting a
degree course would be pretty pointless if it was solely to get a better
job.

Academically, I find the distance learning approach easier to cope with.
When I was at university I had a tendancy to compare myself unfavourably to
other students and come to the conclusion that I was never going to
understand anything anyway - its impossible to do that when there is nobody
else around! Without the pressure to keep up with lectures, it is also
easier to decide you are interested in some random part of your course and
go away and learn about that for a bit. Obviously you then get greater
perspective on the examinable material.

You will get to meet new people doing an OU/distance learning course, and
you may find that most of them are *far* more committed to their course than
your average university student. The excuses and apathy mentioned by some
of the lecturers who contribute to this newsgroup do not tend to be issues
on DL courses. Even our lecturers have said that DL students are much more
willing to participate in seminars than full time students tend to be.

My current boss believes that distance learning promotes time management
skills and a whole bundle of other things that she likes to put on appraisal
forms. That makes it easier to tick the boxes that result in you getting
pay rises and promotions - a bonus that the traditional degree is unlikely
to give you.

I know you asked for the advantages of a traditional degree, and I've just
given you the ramblings of a failed university student about the benefits of
distance learning, but I hope some of it is helpful anyway!

Best of luck whatever you decide to do.

Laura.
Toby
2004-08-26 20:40:39 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:12:07 +0100, "Laura"
Post by Laura
Laura.
hehe I know this is nothing to do with me, but that was a very
interesting post! :)
jess
2004-08-27 16:23:30 UTC
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Post by Toby
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:12:07 +0100, "Laura"
Post by Laura
Laura.
hehe I know this is nothing to do with me, but that was a very
interesting post! :)
yes, thanks very much laura (and everyone else btw).
John Porcella
2004-08-26 21:57:44 UTC
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Post by jess
this question is not just to james: what would i get out of stuyding a
traditional degree that i wouldn't get out of an ou degree?
I think the question is better put the other way around! What do I get from
an OU degree that a more conventional one would not provide? For starters,
the OU degree does not have to be subject specific since you have the
flexibility to choose from many areas, whereas a trad. degree tends to be
far more restrictive.

Good luck.
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John Porcella
John Porcella
2004-08-26 21:55:09 UTC
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Post by James Gregory
Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how are
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
People do OU degrees when they have an interest in a subject but real life
commitments prevent them from doing a full-time degree in said subject.
1. To get a job.
I severely doubt it would get you a graduate job, as graduate recruiters
don't care much about academic ability and are far more concerned about
"soft-skills" and all that nonsense.
If I knew what you were referring to by "all that nonsense" (do you know
yourself?) then I could better respond.

Employers are interested in academic ability as measured by degree result.
Many larger employers will only interview those with the top results.
Post by James Gregory
2. To go into academia
I doubt it would be as respected for academia, though I could be wrong
here.
As someone who has worked in the field I can assure you that it is not
dismissed as easily as you do.
Post by James Gregory
3. For the social side of things.
Nope.
Apart from the summer school
Post by James Gregory
So, if you have a great interest in a subject but would rather work and
study alongside your job, do an OU degree. Otherwise, don't bother,
because what's the point?
To get a degree without having to live like a pauper.
Post by James Gregory
Also, a few years ago my Dad did in OU degree in Maths and Computing, and
got a starred first. It seemed to take up most of his evenings and
weekends for 6 years and he spent the rest of the time either at work or
commuting, not my idea of fun.
Well done to your father!
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John Porcella
John Porcella
2004-08-25 23:00:08 UTC
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Post by jess
does anyone have any experience of studying with the ou, and also, how are
their degrees regarded as compared to a degree at a 'normal' uni?
I was once told that their MBA course was pretty good.

I suspect that many would look down on an OU degree, whilst others would
admire the motivation of somebody who is studying to that level whilst
probably holding down a job and/or bringing up a family.
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John Porcella
Serenity
2004-08-26 20:33:45 UTC
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Jess,
Personally if you think that you'll enjoy the course then I'd say "Go for
it".
Do it for yourself and no other reason.

You will meet fellow students online and at monthly tutorials.

First year OU students often get together in study groups.

It is certainly worthwhile.

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