Discussion:
Help with Applying for Law at Oxbridge
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Anna
2004-09-18 09:17:42 UTC
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I am at first year of Sixth form and my ambition has always been to go
to Oxbridge to study Law.
I would like to know if anyone can offer me advice on how to make my
application next year.
I know that it is a very competitive field but I have over a year to
make any necessary preparations.
I am studying Maths, English, Chemistry and Classical Civilisation at
A Level.
I am not scared of hard work and am prepared to put in any work that
is necessary.
I would appreciate any feedback and advice.
Chris Higham
2004-09-18 10:37:43 UTC
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Post by Anna
I am at first year of Sixth form and my ambition has always been to go
to Oxbridge to study Law.
I would like to know if anyone can offer me advice on how to make my
application next year.
I know that it is a very competitive field but I have over a year to
make any necessary preparations.
I am studying Maths, English, Chemistry and Classical Civilisation at
A Level.
I am not scared of hard work and am prepared to put in any work that
is necessary.
I would appreciate any feedback and advice.
Why Oxbridge?
cowboy carl
2004-09-18 14:31:07 UTC
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Post by Chris Higham
Post by Anna
I am at first year of Sixth form and my ambition has always been to go
to Oxbridge to study Law.
I would like to know if anyone can offer me advice on how to make my
application next year.
I know that it is a very competitive field but I have over a year to
make any necessary preparations.
I am studying Maths, English, Chemistry and Classical Civilisation at
A Level.
I am not scared of hard work and am prepared to put in any work that
is necessary.
I would appreciate any feedback and advice.
Why Oxbridge?
Maybe something to do with the fact they have the best reputation worldwide?

Reach for the stars ... that's what I say.

cc
Matt
2004-09-18 21:13:05 UTC
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Post by cowboy carl
Post by Chris Higham
Post by Anna
I am at first year of Sixth form and my ambition has always been to go
to Oxbridge to study Law.
I would like to know if anyone can offer me advice on how to make my
application next year.
I know that it is a very competitive field but I have over a year to
make any necessary preparations.
I am studying Maths, English, Chemistry and Classical Civilisation at A
Level.
I am not scared of hard work and am prepared to put in any work that is
necessary.
I would appreciate any feedback and advice.
Why Oxbridge?
Maybe something to do with the fact they have the best reputation worldwide?
Reach for the stars ... that's what I say.
Chris wants the OP to say why they want to go to Oxbridge. That's his (and
also my) advice: think why you want to go to Oxbridge, rather than many of
the other universities with Lwa courses.
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cowboy carl
2004-09-18 23:45:58 UTC
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Post by Matt
Post by cowboy carl
Post by Chris Higham
Post by Anna
I am at first year of Sixth form and my ambition has always been to go
to Oxbridge to study Law.
I would like to know if anyone can offer me advice on how to make my
application next year.
I know that it is a very competitive field but I have over a year to
make any necessary preparations.
I am studying Maths, English, Chemistry and Classical Civilisation at A
Level.
I am not scared of hard work and am prepared to put in any work that is
necessary.
I would appreciate any feedback and advice.
Why Oxbridge?
Maybe something to do with the fact they have the best reputation worldwide?
Reach for the stars ... that's what I say.
Chris wants the OP to say why they want to go to Oxbridge. That's his (and
also my) advice: think why you want to go to Oxbridge, rather than many of
the other universities with Lwa courses.
How does that relate to his original question?

Why is this group pressuring people into considering not applying to
Oxbridge?

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Matt
2004-09-19 01:17:40 UTC
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Post by cowboy carl
Post by Matt
Post by cowboy carl
Post by Chris Higham
Post by Anna
I am at first year of Sixth form and my ambition has always been to
go to Oxbridge to study Law.
I would like to know if anyone can offer me advice on how to make my
application next year.
I know that it is a very competitive field but I have over a year to
make any necessary preparations.
I am studying Maths, English, Chemistry and Classical Civilisation at
A Level.
I am not scared of hard work and am prepared to put in any work that
is necessary.
I would appreciate any feedback and advice.
Why Oxbridge?
Maybe something to do with the fact they have the best reputation worldwide?
Reach for the stars ... that's what I say.
Chris wants the OP to say why they want to go to Oxbridge. That's his
(and also my) advice: think why you want to go to Oxbridge, rather than
many of the other universities with Lwa courses.
How does that relate to his original question?
Why is this group pressuring people into considering not applying to
Oxbridge?
To make a good application to Oxbridge, you must think why you want to go
there. On the Cambridge application form, at least, there is a box,
you can write why you want to go. If the only reason you want to go is the
name, then you should reconsider. Writing "Cambridge is a really good
university" won't help you on this form.

I applied to Churchill College, Cambridge for Computer Science. I applied
because I liked the look of the place at the Open day, the course seemed
great, and the college looked really friendly. I was invited to interview,
but when I went I was put off completely: it was a rainy day, which
probably didn't help, but the people I met on the day of the interview
seemed much less enthusiastic than those at Manchester (I had an interview
there the previous week, IIRC). To be honest, I decided there and then I
didn't want to spend 3/4 years there, and didn't put in any effort in the
interview, so it (presumably) clearly showed I didn't want to go there.

I was put into Clearing (which frankly amazed me) and then rejected. I
would have rejected them in any case though, the place wasn't for me.

I'm going to Imperial College in October, when I went for an interview
there I felt the complete opposite, I loved it. So what I'm saying is,
Oxbridge isn't the best choice for everybody.
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(Now, if I apply for a job at Cambridge University in X years time, will
this count against me? Will they search a usenet archive...)


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Toby
2004-09-19 14:29:08 UTC
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 02:17:40 +0100, Matt
Post by Matt
Post by cowboy carl
Post by Matt
Post by cowboy carl
Post by Chris Higham
Post by Anna
I am at first year of Sixth form and my ambition has always been to
go to Oxbridge to study Law.
I would like to know if anyone can offer me advice on how to make my
application next year.
I know that it is a very competitive field but I have over a year to
make any necessary preparations.
I am studying Maths, English, Chemistry and Classical Civilisation at
A Level.
I am not scared of hard work and am prepared to put in any work that
is necessary.
I would appreciate any feedback and advice.
Why Oxbridge?
Maybe something to do with the fact they have the best reputation worldwide?
Reach for the stars ... that's what I say.
Chris wants the OP to say why they want to go to Oxbridge. That's his
(and also my) advice: think why you want to go to Oxbridge, rather than
many of the other universities with Lwa courses.
How does that relate to his original question?
Why is this group pressuring people into considering not applying to
Oxbridge?
To make a good application to Oxbridge, you must think why you want to go
there. On the Cambridge application form, at least, there is a box,
you can write why you want to go. If the only reason you want to go is the
name, then you should reconsider. Writing "Cambridge is a really good
university" won't help you on this form.
I applied to Churchill College, Cambridge for Computer Science. I applied
because I liked the look of the place at the Open day, the course seemed
great, and the college looked really friendly. I was invited to interview,
but when I went I was put off completely: it was a rainy day, which
probably didn't help, but the people I met on the day of the interview
seemed much less enthusiastic than those at Manchester (I had an interview
there the previous week, IIRC). To be honest, I decided there and then I
didn't want to spend 3/4 years there, and didn't put in any effort in the
interview, so it (presumably) clearly showed I didn't want to go there.
I was put into Clearing (which frankly amazed me) and then rejected. I
would have rejected them in any case though, the place wasn't for me.
I'm going to Imperial College in October, when I went for an interview
there I felt the complete opposite, I loved it. So what I'm saying is,
Oxbridge isn't the best choice for everybody.
Those boxes on the Oxford and Camb. forms are not obligatory, and most
tutors say, apparently, that they don't give a shit about what's
written in them, as long as you're not stupid enough to repeat
yourself, perhaps from your personal statement. It is for new,
pertinent info.; if you have none, you don't need to write anything at
all.

Why shouldn't you apply to Oxbridge just because of the name? Fine,
that might appear to be a little superficial, I certainly wouldn't,
but, for instance, with law, name means a lot, especially to the City,
whether that's a good thing or not...It is being practical...

As to the advice, I would start thinking about reasons for wanting to
go there, whether or not they are YOUR reasons :P This especially
applies to Camb., where there is actually, usually, an interview in
which these questions are asked specifically.
Serenity
2004-09-18 20:54:17 UTC
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Think about what else you can offer the college you apply for.

Music, sport, voluntary work?
S
Anna
2004-09-28 21:54:46 UTC
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Post by Serenity
Think about what else you can offer the college you apply for.
Music, sport, voluntary work?
S
I am the person who started this thread and I would like to respond to
some of the questions raised.

I would like to go to Oxbridge because;

1) It has an excellent reputation (and in law, especially, reputation
counts for a lot) nationally and would help my employability in later
life

2) I have looked at other law courses and, as I am undecided as to my
area of expertise in law, Oxbridge offers the widest selection of law
courses in the UK

3) The facilities offered are the best I have seen. I enjoy reading
and, had I not chosen to do law, I would have chosen to study english.
I did not want my university life, however to be solely concentrated
on academics, as I enjoy team sports and meeting other people. The
libraries and the range of activities offered - sports, drama, leisure
etc are fantastic

4) I am not keen to live very far away from home and, for me, Oxford
and Cambridge are within 2hours of home. The accessibility, by train
and car makes them very attractive for me.

5)I wanted to go to Edinburgh university but was afraid of the 7hours
travelling I would have to do. I liked edinburgh because the
university itself was antiquated and traditional but also, the city
had a medieval/classical quality about it-the architecture especially.
For the same reasons, I am attracted to the situation and surroundings
of Cambridge and Oxford (as the cities are dated and have retained
their antiquity but also, the grounds of the universities themselves
are pleasant and unspoilt by cities and other signs of sub-urban life.

I think I can contribute to University life in the following ways -
and here I mean any University I end up in not just Oxford or
Cambridge:

1)I am a keen writer and am committed to any activity I pursue. At the
moment, I am on the editorial team for the school magazine and I would
like to continue to develop my skills at university.

2) In my sixth form, I am a member of many different clubs and
societies. For example, continuing the literary theme, I attend
Shakespeare society, debating society and Classical Reading groups. I
also enjoy drama and am currently the leader of the Junior drama club
and I am organising the production of a play. I would like to broaden
my literary and dramatic knowledge and experiences when I attend
university.

3) Fundraising - I was the main organiser of the contributions of my
year to our annual school fete and regularly organise events with my
year in school. These events provide a gentle, enjoyable distraction
from school life and are a way of interacting with my peers.

4) I am always keen to input my ideas in classroom discussions and
enjoy listening to other ideas and opinions to further my knowledge. I
am also inquisitive in lessons and like to probe the ideas and minds
of teachers to gain further knowledge about the topic in hand.

The above should provide sufficient information about why I want to go
to Oxbridge and what I think I can offer to them.

At the moment, it is the application process that seems quite daunting
at the moment due to the tough competition, not only at Oxbridge but
at any university but especially for law courses. Is there anything I
can do now to help improve my profile as an applicant to ease this
application process next year??

Thank you
David Haardt
2004-09-29 12:58:56 UTC
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Post by Anna
I would like to go to Oxbridge because;
[...]
2) I have looked at other law courses and, as I am undecided as to my
area of expertise in law, Oxbridge offers the widest selection of law
courses in the UK
What about London -- I suspect they have even more choice since you
can cross-register for all law courses at UoL colleges?

David Haardt
Anna
2004-10-01 18:09:51 UTC
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Post by David Haardt
Post by Anna
I would like to go to Oxbridge because;
[...]
2) I have looked at other law courses and, as I am undecided as to my
area of expertise in law, Oxbridge offers the widest selection of law
courses in the UK
What about London -- I suspect they have even more choice since you
can cross-register for all law courses at UoL colleges?
David Haardt
I've thought about London and i'm considering it, but its the expense
that worries me and all the travelling. I'm living in the suburbs
(ish) of bham @the moment bt all my areas of intrest are really
accessible but in london, everything seems2take ages2get2!Also, the
pace of life wud just blow me away!

I've looked ar loads of universities and wel...i'm confused!

To be honest, I'd be really grateful to anybody who'd reply to my
original query of, to be blatant, how do I get to look like a really
good applicat for any university ie

1.any tips on how to pass the interview
2.any preparatory work i can do in the sixth form-jobs, clubs, etc
3.is there anything that universities really look for in an applicant?

Thats really why i posted my original message-Oxbridge, although i'd
love to go, is not my only consideration but it saved me from listing
all my possible uni choices-i never thought everybody would get so
distracted by the mention of Oxbridge!!!!
Toby
2004-10-01 18:15:02 UTC
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Post by Anna
Post by David Haardt
Post by Anna
I would like to go to Oxbridge because;
[...]
2) I have looked at other law courses and, as I am undecided as to my
area of expertise in law, Oxbridge offers the widest selection of law
courses in the UK
What about London -- I suspect they have even more choice since you
can cross-register for all law courses at UoL colleges?
David Haardt
I've thought about London and i'm considering it, but its the expense
that worries me and all the travelling. I'm living in the suburbs
accessible but in london, everything seems2take ages2get2!Also, the
pace of life wud just blow me away!
I've looked ar loads of universities and wel...i'm confused!
To be honest, I'd be really grateful to anybody who'd reply to my
original query of, to be blatant, how do I get to look like a really
good applicat for any university ie
1.any tips on how to pass the interview
2.any preparatory work i can do in the sixth form-jobs, clubs, etc
3.is there anything that universities really look for in an applicant?
Thats really why i posted my original message-Oxbridge, although i'd
love to go, is not my only consideration but it saved me from listing
all my possible uni choices-i never thought everybody would get so
distracted by the mention of Oxbridge!!!!
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I thin
kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
Anna
2004-10-02 08:40:37 UTC
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Post by Toby
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I thin
kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
how is that even remotely relevant to anythin?
Robert de Vincy
2004-10-02 10:07:41 UTC
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Post by Anna
Post by Toby
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I thin
kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
how is that even remotely relevant to anythin?
You can't even see a remote relevance between your request for info about
applying to Oxbridge and a website that contains info about applying to
Oxbridge?

How ungrateful!
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BdeV
jess
2004-10-02 10:40:36 UTC
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Post by Robert de Vincy
Post by Anna
Post by Toby
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I
thin kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
how is that even remotely relevant to anythin?
You can't even see a remote relevance between your request for info
about applying to Oxbridge and a website that contains info about
applying to Oxbridge?
How ungrateful!
furthermore, if she can't see the relevance, perhaps she isn't oxbridge
material? ;o)
Millie
2004-10-02 10:25:10 UTC
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Post by Anna
Post by Toby
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I thin
kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
how is that even remotely relevant to anythin?
You're kidding???
Toby
2004-10-02 12:34:03 UTC
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Post by Anna
Post by Toby
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I thin
kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
how is that even remotely relevant to anythin?
I assume you haven't actually gone to the site, otherwise you must be
supremely stupid, and you shouldn't even apply to Oxbridge. If you
haven't gone to the site, and that is why you're asking, you are
supremely lazy, and quite possibly stupid because you can't see the
implication in my message. Eitherway, you're screwed. Also note: the
law is pretty much concerned with what is relevant and what is
irrelevant - you should learn to answer these questions for yourself.
Robert de Vincy
2004-10-02 13:04:26 UTC
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Post by Toby
Post by Anna
Post by Toby
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I thin
kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
how is that even remotely relevant to anythin?
I assume you haven't actually gone to the site, otherwise you must be
supremely stupid, and you shouldn't even apply to Oxbridge. If you
haven't gone to the site, and that is why you're asking, you are
supremely lazy, and quite possibly stupid because you can't see the
implication in my message. Eitherway, you're screwed. Also note: the
law is pretty much concerned with what is relevant and what is
irrelevant - you should learn to answer these questions for yourself.
Wow, Toby, that's the most vicious I've ever seen you. EVER.

Having a bad day, dear?
--
BdeV
Toby
2004-10-02 18:07:06 UTC
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Post by Robert de Vincy
Post by Toby
Post by Anna
Post by Toby
If someone hasn't mentioned it already, go to oa.waveflex.com (I thin
kthat's the address!?!?!) It's pretty cool.
how is that even remotely relevant to anythin?
I assume you haven't actually gone to the site, otherwise you must be
supremely stupid, and you shouldn't even apply to Oxbridge. If you
haven't gone to the site, and that is why you're asking, you are
supremely lazy, and quite possibly stupid because you can't see the
implication in my message. Eitherway, you're screwed. Also note: the
law is pretty much concerned with what is relevant and what is
irrelevant - you should learn to answer these questions for yourself.
Wow, Toby, that's the most vicious I've ever seen you. EVER.
Having a bad day, dear?
I know! I had just dropped a prawn cocktail-flavoured maize snack down
my open shirt and so I was a little tetchy...I felt instantly guilty
as soon as I'd sent the message, I SWEAR!!
Anna
2004-10-03 20:58:29 UTC
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ok, ok enuf with the verbal abuse!jeez!ARGH! *i cry as i am inudated
with people calling me thick*argh argh argh!well..in truth, i got a
website about web hosting on the internet if that explains my
extremely rude commet-i DID have my reasons!i am NOT ungrateful OR
stupid OR lazy thank u all very much! i shall re-try the
website.....tune in tomorrow to see what craziness i find!hehe oh
yeah, n wen i posted the ungrateful message, i found out that there
was only 3 months b4 my fist AS-exam, having not leart ANYTHING in my
first month and a bit at school!AND to make matters worse, i cudnt
go2c franz ferdinand or the scissor sisters cos of the lack of tickets
so i was a bit gutted!!right, now that thats all clear-i'm really
sorry to hear about ur prawn cocktail accident-it wasn't a salmon pink
shirt by any chance-sorry bad joke, i'm full of 'em!
Toby
2004-10-03 21:08:39 UTC
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Post by Anna
ok, ok enuf with the verbal abuse!jeez!ARGH! *i cry as i am inudated
with people calling me thick*argh argh argh!well..in truth, i got a
website about web hosting on the internet if that explains my
extremely rude commet-i DID have my reasons!i am NOT ungrateful OR
stupid OR lazy thank u all very much! i shall re-try the
website.....tune in tomorrow to see what craziness i find!hehe oh
yeah, n wen i posted the ungrateful message, i found out that there
was only 3 months b4 my fist AS-exam, having not leart ANYTHING in my
first month and a bit at school!AND to make matters worse, i cudnt
go2c franz ferdinand or the scissor sisters cos of the lack of tickets
so i was a bit gutted!!right, now that thats all clear-i'm really
sorry to hear about ur prawn cocktail accident-it wasn't a salmon pink
shirt by any chance-sorry bad joke, i'm full of 'em!
Well that was an interesting, err, sentence/paragraph, so for what
it's worth, I forgive you and apologise :P
Anna
2004-10-06 16:28:54 UTC
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Post by Toby
Well that was an interesting, err, sentence/paragraph, so for what
it's worth, I forgive you and apologise :P
Thanx-it's all good then!i had a proper look at the website n yeah its
wkd-kinda got the opposite problem of 1)there's too much info hehe and
2)not enuf time! I've written 4 essays of 2000 wds each in the past 2
wks-4 me, thats impressive!woohoo!soz..jus thort u mite all like 2 no
bout that!i've joined upto loadsa intresting societies in school so
that i can broaden my personality and my knowledge-hoping this will
help with my UCAS form. it's cool, has anybody thought o fanything
else i can do to help me along my way?i'm felling very pro-active and
enjoy a challenge, of any kind!any suggestions?get back to me!

PS before this, i'd neva heard of google groups-now, i'm liking it!
again, useless random piece of info for you all to ponder and
cherish!!

If u havent already noticed, i like to waffle on about very little : )
i'm trying to stop!
Robert de Vincy
2004-10-06 17:42:07 UTC
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Anna did write:

[snip]
has anybody thought o fanything else i can do to help me along my way?
Yeah: ditch the txtspk. That message was tricky to read in one go!
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BdeV
Anna
2004-10-07 20:19:25 UTC
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Post by Robert de Vincy
[snip]
has anybody thought o fanything else i can do to help me along my way?
Yeah: ditch the txtspk. That message was tricky to read in one go!
sorry... i shall try to fluent and articulate the next time that i
contribute to this group!see..i can speak properly!
Robert de Vincy
2004-10-07 20:38:33 UTC
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Post by Anna
Post by Robert de Vincy
[snip]
has anybody thought o fanything else i can do to help me along my way?
Yeah: ditch the txtspk. That message was tricky to read in one go!
sorry... i shall try to fluent and articulate the next time that i
contribute to this group!see..i can speak properly!
Excellent!

Note that I'm not some pedantic stickler for "correct" grammar, etc, (that
position is already filled) but text-speak really does make communication
more of a chore for the receiver than a benefit, I've found. If we were
all brought up with it then it would be okay, but we're not. Not yet,
anyway.
--
BdeV
Toby
2004-10-07 21:41:18 UTC
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Post by Robert de Vincy
Post by Anna
Post by Robert de Vincy
[snip]
has anybody thought o fanything else i can do to help me along my way?
Yeah: ditch the txtspk. That message was tricky to read in one go!
sorry... i shall try to fluent and articulate the next time that i
contribute to this group!see..i can speak properly!
Excellent!
Note that I'm not some pedantic stickler for "correct" grammar, etc, (that
position is already filled) but text-speak really does make communication
more of a chore for the receiver than a benefit, I've found. If we were
all brought up with it then it would be okay, but we're not. Not yet,
anyway.
Did you ever get that email where all the words' spellings were
jumbled-up, yet most people could read it anyway? I think someone
posted it here as well...
Robert de Vincy
2004-10-07 22:35:13 UTC
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Post by Toby
Did you ever get that email where all the words' spellings were
jumbled-up, yet most people could read it anyway? I think someone
posted it here as well...
Who didn't get that?!?

There were a few threads here and there about it when it first emerged.
Apparently (if I remember correctly), it only works for words that are
familiar and up to a certain length. A bit of skilful Googling should
result in finding some examples of extremely hard-to-read sentences
constructed by people who had too much time to spare.
--
BdeV
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